Spawn Shops

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Spawn Shops

by SDOR3 » Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:16 pm

Alright, some of you may be aware of this already because max and I have discussed it on the server but since Webtrade is down and we don't exactly have an ETA on when it will return we've gone ahead and made some shops at spawn. There are 8 in total. The rules and regulations will be listed below.

Rules


    Follow the rules and the rent contract below otherwise you will be evicted


    Section 0: Building Rules

    -You can customize the inside of your shop however you wish

    -While you may customize the interior of your shop, there are some restrictions. Please do not modify the glass, walls or attempt to change the physical dimensions of the shop. (Lowering the floor, or raising the ceiling etc.) You may have a half height floor, but no lower. (IE replacing the floor with half slabs)

    -Do not modify or change the shop number sign. Changing or removing this sign is misleading and confusing

    -Do not: mess with spawn or try to obtain permissions, build under your shops, make secret passageways or pvp vantage points, build another shop near by filled with player traps, that's absolutely massive, causes insane amounts of fps lag, and has paths and tunnels under spawn

    Section 1a: Etiquette Rules

    -You may share a shop with another player. There are two ways sharing is defined.:

    1. Two or more people in one shop

    If you are sharing your shop with other people, you will need to work out how to split rent.

    2. Two or more individuals connect their shops together

    The person next to you must be okay with this and the shops must be connected tastefully. No gigantic two normal shop wide shops*. Each shop must retain an original aesthetic.
    *'Gigantic two normal wide shops' in this case is more or less referring to a scenario in which two or more individuals next to each other simply broke down the wall between their shops. This rule will be left to discretion by management on a case by case basis should an issue arise

    -While you may share a spawn shop you have to actually use* the spawn shop you're renting meaning you can't just rent the shop and then not use it but rent it out to others but never use it yourself... *'Use' will be defined on a case by case basis should this issue arise by max and sdor

    -Modifying, griefing, or changing another player's shop is NOT allowed, and will likely result in an immediate eviction

    -No arguing with management decisions. Discussion regarding spawn shops is wholesomely welcomed and encouraged, but petty arguments regarding decisions will not be tolerated. Management decisions are final

    -No 'taking up space'. You have a spawn shop because you want to sell items, if we feel you aren't selling a reasonable amount of desirable items you will be evicted. If you have a shop and sell little to nothing, you're basically defeating the purpose of owning a shop and taking up space for another potential seller.

    -The need to write this is saddening, as it should be obvious but in the event you are banned from spawn shops (for breaking a rule etc) you cannot rent or sublease a spawn shop again. This means that if you are banned, you cannot share with someone to skirt this rule. It is not allowed. If you persist to do such a thing after being warned multiple times actual server enforcement will occur.

    Section 1b: Selling Rules

    -No inappropriate items may be sold. This includes, but is not limited to maps, and renamed items. If we deem something as inappropriate you will be warned, but if you do not comply the following actions described below may occur.

    -No reselling of original content in spawn, regarding tradeable goods this currently applies to maps however if another form of original content is introduced the coverage will be extended. This means that you cannot resell another individual's copyrighted original work in your own shop. This also applies to trademarks as you cannot take someone else's brand and directly use it as your own. In order to gain trademark and copyright protection you will need to register them. More information can be found below.

    Be sure you copyright your original content! If you do not do so, your creation will enter public domain and can be sold and redistributed by anyone! After the creation of original content, you will have one month to register a copyright. All current creators will have 1 month from the creation of this rule to register their original content.

    Spoiler:
    In order to register for protection on your original content, contact max or sdor. A fee of 1 diamond block PER ORIGINAL ITEM and a copy of the item you wish to register will be required. This 1 diamond block is treated similar to the monthly rent you pay in the sense that it is NOT kept for profit by any personal party. Once you have registered your original content, protection will be granted for 1 year. If you do not renew your copyright after the year is up, it will enter public domain and the copyright will be nonrenewable. Subsequent renewals will only cost 1 diamond per item. Original Content which is 3 years or older from the date of this rule is exempt from any copyright registration and is considered public domain. max and sdor reserve the right to deny, change, or modify the standing of any copyrighted item. All terms above are subject to change

    Trademarks are free to register and will be good for life. That means no one can sell under your name or take your brand! They are transferable however, should anyone be interested.


    Section 3: General Rules

    -There may be some exceptions to the rules above that are too exhaustive to list. If you have any questions or concerns, ask before doing something. Use /mail send max or sdor to ask. Please be sure to ask before doing anything you think may violate a rule. Failure to do so may result in an eviction. (IE don't do something and THEN ask for permission)

    -Although this should be obvious, by renting a spawn shop and making the monthly payment you agree to follow all the rules listed

    -If we believe you are in violation of these rules we will inform you, but if you don't comply you will be evicted

    -The above being said, you are not entitled to a warning before we evict you

    -Evictions are rare. They won't happen unless you explicitly violate the rules or do something that you really shouldn't. Use common sense.

disclaimer: these rules are subject to change without notice, we reserve the right to evict players at our own discretion regardless if they are in violation of the terms above or not

Rent Contract


    -Rent will be 1 diamond block per month (NC /spawn) or 5 diamonds per month (OC /oc) and 1 iron block per sign (both NC and OC) Shop number sign and payment chest sign do not count towards signs

    -There will be an initial 'Empty Shop fee' of 1 diamond block. However, in order to allow everyone a chance at a shop you will have to bid for it (see below).

    -Rent is due by the end of the current month. This means you have until the end of the current month to get your chest marked with [CURRENT_MONTH-PAID].

    -No prepaid rent.

There has been some confusion about rent recently. Rent is due by the end of the month meaning you have until the month is over to pay. Your payment chest should be marked with [CURRENT_MONTH-PAID] before the current month is over. For example, if it is the 1st of May and your chest reads [MARCH-PAID] you did not pay rent in April, so you will be evicted. From this point forward, rent will ONLY be collected during the current month. This means you cannot pay for the following month's rent during the current month. For example, you cannot pay April's rent in March. This is because we do not allow prepaid shops. You must pay on a month by month basis.

Bidding (if more than one person wants the same shop)


Regarding the 'Empty Shop Fee', this means that whenever there is an open shop (because someone didn't pay rent, decided they don't want a shop, got evicted etc) a fee will be required in order to rent that space. We will require 1 diamond block up front. Because there are only 8 shops, the bidding system will build off of this; you will sign up for a shop below. If more than one person signs up for that specific shop you can either move to a shop not taken or bid over the shop space. The format and a very detailed map is below

Additionally, shops are available at old continent spawn. Rent is slightly cheaper there as it is a less desirable location. If you are interested in one of these the same rules apply. Rent is 5 diamonds and 1 iron block per sign every month. This should go without saying, but if you want a shop at new continent spawn you will still have to wait for someone to leave or get evicted.

If you'd like more space, and you already own a shop in the NC spawn, you may rent a shop at OC spawn as well. Rent for current lessees in NC spawn will be 1 diamond block per month. This is to de-incentivize renting a shop in both places to allow other people a chance. In the event we have a full OC spawn mall, if individuals which do not currently have a shop anywhere want to rent in OC we will prioritize them over people who already have a shop in NC.

Map of shops (claimed ones listed as claimed)


    Shop 8 ..........Taken.....Shop 4...Taken..._______________________
    Shop 6b(((7)))....Taken....Shop 3..Taken...|...............................|
    Shop 6a......Taken........Shop 2..Taken...| Kreatious Union Station..|
    Shop 5....Taken............Shop 1..Taken...|______________________|
    ================================
    v v v v Spawn pool is this way v v v v

Format
In game name:
Rank:
What shop do you want?: (Unclaimed shop here so, 2, 6, 7, 8)
Bidding price: (this will always start at 1)
Do you understand and agree to follow the rules listed above?: (answering no or leaving this blank will result in your application to be ignored)

Since all of the shops have been filled, the bidding process will only be used if more than one individual wants a shop. If a shop becomes open in spawn and you wish to rent it, reply to this thread with the application. If no one responds in a day from your post it's yours. If someone responds within a day to your post then you'll need to bid with them for who gets the shop. This will last until for a week or until a conclusion is reached, either post on the forums or sort things out in game with the other individual. At the moment there is no waiting list. Shops are on a first come first serve basis. This may change if more people start playing however.

The bidding process will work like this: Players reply to this thread with the format above. (Be sure to read through the replies often and check for updates) and then either update their bid accordingly by editing their post or sort it out in game. At the end of a week, or once a conclusion is reached whoever has the higher bid will get the shop.

Example of the bidding process:

Spoiler:
In game name: Sdor
Rank: Mod
What shop do you want?: Shop 1
Bidding price: 1
Do you understand and agree to follow the rules listed above?: Yes

In game name: Icefang
Rank: Mod
What shop do you want?: Shop 1
Bidding price: 2
Do you understand and agree to follow the rules listed above?: Yes

In game name: maxmmm
Rank: Mod
What shop do you want?: Shop 1
Bidding price: 3
Do you understand and agree to follow the rules listed above?: Yes

As you can see, max Icefang, and I are all bidding for shop 1 but max has outbid both of us. I would then go and edit my post and increase my bid amount to be higher than max's if I do indeed want shop 1. Max and Icefang could come back and do the same so long as there is time remaining. (You may change which shop you want at any time however the same process applies above. The shop will go to the highest bidder after 1 week)

You don't need to do this all through the forums however, as stated multiple times above. You may sort it out in game with the other player if you wish. Example:

Player 1: Hey I want this shop
Player 2: Hey me too
Player 1: I'm willing to pay 3 diamond blocks
Player 2: I'm willing to pay 4
*discussion ensues*
Player 1: Ok well, I'm not willing to pay that much. It's yours

Player 1 (the player who did NOT win the bid) will then /mail max or I that Player 2 has won the bidding. This is to prevent an individual from saying they've won the shop when they really haven't.


That is all. If you have any questions feel free to ask.

FAQ
Spoiler:
Q: Can I have a tl;dr of the process from start to finish? This post is too long
A: Assuming there is a free shop and no one else has applied for it, you would follow these steps:

    1) Post a response to this thread with the application above. Start your bidding at 1 diamond block.

    2) Wait a day and see if someone responds to your post. If someone responds, proceed to step 3. If not, go to step 4

    3) Bid with them using the process above, or sort it out in game. You have a week to come to a conclusion. The highest bidder wins (obviously)

    4) Show either max or I your post and ask for permission to your shop, or show us proof that you've sorted it out with the other person. That way we know you aren't just saying you've won

Q: HELP SOMEONE ALREADY APPLIED FOR THE SHOP I WANT WHAT DO I DO????
A: Assuming it is within 1 day of their post, reply with an application and a higher bid. You then have a week to reach a conclusion. Wait for them to respond on the forums, or sort it out in game with them. Refer to the steps above.

Q: What is a trade sign? How do I use them?
A: follow this thread: viewtopic.php?f=32&t=2636

Q: WHY CAN'T I PUT [insert item here] ON A TRADE SIGN????? THIS SERVER IS BROKEN
A: You can't trade enchanted books because they're not added to the list of items able to be traded. You'll need to make a machine to dispense them.

Q: WOW THESE RULES ARE TOO LONG AND EXTENSIVE WHAT THE HECK MAN? / WOW THERE ARE A LOT OF UNFAIR RULES MAN, WHAT THE HECK?
A: The rules are extensive because they unfortunately need to be in order to maintain an enjoyable selling experience for everyone. The longer spawn shops run, the more rules and changes will be amended to this post. (when it first started, there were maybe only 8 rules or so.) However changes and additions were made because of complications and scenarios that had arisen. The rules are designed in a way to be flexible and grow with the community of users that utilize them. If you feel something is unfair, you may contact management but there is no guarantee anything will change- That being said, we nonetheless strive to make decisions which will serve the interests of the community as a whole.
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Re: Spawn Shops

by neicey69 » Sun Sep 23, 2018 10:55 pm

EDIT: March 27 - removed my shop

September 23rd post:

In game name: neicey69
Rank: Resident
What shop do you want?: 7
Bidding price: 1
Do you understand and agree to follow the rules listed above?: Yes
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Re: Spawn Shops

by HumblingOsprey » Mon Sep 24, 2018 12:06 am

In game name: HumblingOsprey
Rank: Resident
What shop do you want?: 6
Bidding price: 2
Do you understand and agree to follow the rules listed above?: Absolutely :D
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Re: Spawn Shops

by AmericanCrafter » Mon Sep 24, 2018 12:22 am

*cancelled my request*
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Re: Spawn Shops

by Neko92 » Wed Sep 26, 2018 1:42 am

Few comments...

The archaic [trade] sign format:
Spoiler:
[trade]
<# item in> *This is how much your item costs*
<ANY TEXT> *This line can be any text or blank*
<# item out> *This line is the item you're selling*

EXAMPLES:
[trade]
64 iron ingot
for
1 diamond

[trade]
1 diamond block
DONATION
0 dragon egg

[trade]
20 diamond
for
1 beacon

[trade]
1 bucket
for
1 lava bucket

[trade]
3 wither skull
for
1 beacon


-1.7.2 items and newer are not in the [trade] signage code so will not work. (it its not on /lookup then it likely wont work) Unsure of the version? This can help.. https://minecraftitemids.com/versions
So incompatible items include but not limited to elytra, shulkers, end cities materials, banners, fireworks, enchanted books, etc

-If for some reason the name does not fit on the sign, numerical item IDs work too. (cake: 354, tnt: 46, etc)

-/lookup <name> can be used to look up names usable on trade signs
example: You wanna sell carpet? /lookup carpet shows all the carpet names with the colours

-To sell enchanted tools you just put <# material tool> or "1 diamond pick" (this would require providing a sign telling what the picks in the chest is enchanted with.)**
+Ideally this could be used as a sort of tool mystery box. ie. Pay a diamond, get a random tool if you don't say what is in the chest.

-EVERY individual chest will require its own [private] sign. [trade] signs do not seem to work with daisy chain locking (this is where you can lock multiple adjacent chests with one sign)**

-[trade] signs are also incompatible with trapped chests.


**Regarding payment.... Is the IB per [trade] sign. or literally EVERY sign?
So every trade sign would effectively cost minimum 2 IB per month(one for private sign, one for private sign).
10 trades would be minimum 20 IB (10 private signs, 10 trade signs) +signs detailing enchantments
15 trades would be minimum 30 IB (15 private signs, 15 trade signs) +signs detailing enchantments
and so on... (I think most players know math lol)
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Re: Spawn Shops

by maxmmm1501 » Thu Sep 27, 2018 2:38 am

Neko92 wrote:-EVERY individual chest will require its own [private] sign. [trade] signs do not seem to work with daisy chain locking (this is where you can lock multiple adjacent chests with one sign)**

-[trade] signs are also incompatible with trapped chests.


They need a private sign on the chest to be created, but it can be removed afterwards.

**Regarding payment.... Is the IB per [trade] sign. or literally EVERY sign?
So every trade sign would effectively cost minimum 2 IB per month(one for private sign, one for private sign).
10 trades would be minimum 20 IB (10 private signs, 10 trade signs) +signs detailing enchantments
15 trades would be minimum 30 IB (15 private signs, 15 trade signs) +signs detailing enchantments
and so on... (I think most players know math lol)



Yes, every sign. But as I said above that does not mean two per trade
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Re: Spawn Shops

by Dr_Oxopus » Sat Oct 06, 2018 8:11 pm

In game name: Dr_Oxopus
Rank: RSD
What shop do you want?: 8
Bidding price: 3
Do you understand and agree to follow the rules listed above?: YES
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Re: Spawn Shops

by HappyThano » Mon Oct 08, 2018 4:16 am

In game name: HappyThano
Rank: CTZN
What shop do you want? - 2
Bidding price: 1
Do you understand and agree to follow the rules listed above? - I guess so
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Re: Spawn Shops

by Master_jamma » Sat Oct 20, 2018 4:06 pm

In game name: Master_jamma
Rank: Rsd
What shop do you want?: 8
Bidding price: 4
Do you understand and agree to follow the rules listed above?: Yes
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Re: Spawn Shops

by GG1LL3S » Tue Jan 01, 2019 10:17 pm

In game name: _StarLines_ (formerly: GG1LL3S (which is still the name on my signs & on the website))
Rank: Ctzn
What shop do you want?: 6a
Bidding price: 1
Do you understand and agree to follow the rules listed above?: yes
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